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C
LINIAS
: The same is true.

A
THENIAN
: What of a man’s relations with himself—should he think of [d]
himself
as his own enemy? What’s our answer now?

C
LINIAS
: Well done, my Athenian friend! (I’d rather not call you ‘Attic’, because I think it is better to call you after the goddess,
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as you deserve.) You have made the argument clearer by expressing it in its most elementary form. Now you will find it that much easier to realize that the position we took up a moment ago is correct: not only is everyone an enemy of everyone else in the public sphere, but each man fights a private war against himself.

A
THENIAN
: You
do
surprise me, my friend. What do you mean? [e]

C
LINIAS
: This, sir, is where a man wins the first and best of victories—over himself. Conversely, to fall a victim to oneself is the worst and most shocking thing that can be imagined. This way of speaking points to a war against ourselves within each one of us.

A
THENIAN
: Now let’s reverse the argument. You hold that each one of us is either ‘conqueror of’ or ‘conquered by’ himself: are we to say that
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the same holds good of household, village and state? Or not?

C
LINIAS
: You mean that they are individually either ‘conquerors of’ or ‘conquered by’ themselves?

A
THENIAN
: Yes.

C
LINIAS
: This again is a good question to have asked. Your suggestion is most emphatically true, particularly in the case of states. Wherever the better people subdue their inferiors, the state may rightly be said to be ‘conqueror of’ itself, and we should be entirely justified in praising it for its victory. Where the opposite happens, we must give the opposite verdict.

A
THENIAN
: It would take too long a discussion to decide whether in fact [b] there
is
a sense in which the worse element could be superior to the better, so let’s leave that aside. For the moment, I understand your position to amount to this: sometimes evil citizens will come together in large numbers and forcibly try to enslave the virtuous minority, although both sides are members of the same race and the same state. When they prevail, the state may properly be said to be ‘inferior to’ itself and to be an evil one; but when they are defeated, we can say it is ‘superior to’ itself and that it is a good state.

[c] C
LINIAS
: That’s a paradoxical way of putting it, sir, but it is impossible to disagree.
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A
THENIAN
: But now wait a minute. Let’s look at this point again: suppose a father and mother had several sons—should we be surprised if the majority of these brothers were unjust, and the minority just?

C
LINIAS
: By no means.

A
THENIAN
: We could say that if the wicked brothers prevail the whole [d] household and family may be called ‘inferior to’ itself, and ‘superior to’ itself if they are subdued—but it would be irrelevant to our purpose to labor the point. The reason why we’re now examining the usage of the common man is not to pass judgment on whether he uses language properly or improperly, but to determine what is essentially right and wrong in a given law.

C
LINIAS
: Very true, sir.

M
EGILLUS
: I agree—it’s been nicely put, so far.

A
THENIAN
: Let’s look at the next point. Those brothers I’ve just mentioned—they’d have a judge, I suppose?

C
LINIAS
: Of course.

[e] A
THENIAN
: Which of these judges would be the better, the one who put all the bad brothers to death and told the better ones to run their own lives, or the one who put the virtuous brothers in command, but let the scoundrels go on living in willing obedience to them? And we can probably add a third and even better judge—the one who will take this single
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quarrelling family in hand and
reconcile
its members, without killing any of them; by laying down regulations to guide them in the future, he will be able to ensure that they remain on friendly terms with each other.

C
LINIAS
: Yes, this judge—the legislator—would be incomparably better.

A
THENIAN
: But in framing these regulations he would have his eye on the exact opposite of war.

C
LINIAS
: True enough.

A
THENIAN
: But what about the man who brings harmony to the state? [b] In regulating its life, will he pay more attention to external war, or internal? This ‘civil’ war, as we call it, does break out on occasion, and is the last thing a man would want to see in his own country; but if it did flare up, he would wish to have it over and done with as quickly as possible.

C
LINIAS
: He’ll obviously pay more attention to the second kind.

A
THENIAN
: One side might be destroyed through the victory of the other, and then peace would follow the civil war; or, alternatively, peace and friendship might be the result of reconciliation. Now, which of these results would you prefer, supposing the city then had to turn its attention to a foreign enemy?

[c] C
LINIAS
: Everybody would prefer the second situation to the first, so far as his own state was concerned.

A
THENIAN
: And wouldn’t a legislator have the same preference?

C
LINIAS
: He certainly would.

A
THENIAN
: Now surely, every legislator will enact his every law with the aim of achieving the greatest good?

C
LINIAS
: Of course.

A
THENIAN
: The greatest good, however, is neither war nor civil war (God forbid we should ever need to resort to either of them), but peace and goodwill among men. And so the victory of a state over itself, it seems, does not after all come into the category of ideals; it is just one of those things in which we’ve no choice. You might just as well suppose that the sick body which has been purged by the doctor was therefore in the pink of condition, and disregard the body that never had any such need. Similarly, anyone who takes this sort of view of the happiness of a state or even an individual will never make a true statesman in the true sense—if, that is, he adopts foreign warfare as his first and only concern; he’ll become a
genuine
lawgiver only if he designs his legislation about war as a tool for peace, rather than his legislation for peace as an instrument [e] of war.

C
LINIAS
: What you say, sir, has the air of having been correctly argued. Even so, I shall be surprised if our Cretan institutions, and the Spartan ones as well, have not been wholly orientated towards warfare.

A
THENIAN
: Well, that’s as may be. At the moment, however, there’s no
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call for a stubborn dispute on the point. What we need to do is to conduct our inquiry into these institutions dispassionately, seeing that we share this common interest with their authors. So keep me company in the conversation I’m going to have. Let’s put up Tyrtaeus,
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for example, an Athenian by birth who became a citizen of Sparta. He, of all men, was particularly concerned with what we are discussing. He said:

‘I’d not mention a man, I’d take no account of him,

no matter’ (he goes on) ‘if he were the richest of men, no matter if he had [b] a huge number of good things’ (he enumerated pretty nearly all of them) ‘unless his prowess in war were beyond compare.’ Doubtless you too have heard the lines; Megillus here knows them backwards, I expect.

M
EGILLUS
: I certainly do.

C
LINIAS
: And they have certainly got as far as Crete: they were brought across from Sparta.

A
THENIAN
: Now then, let’s jointly ask our poet some such question as [c] this: ‘Tyrtaeus, you are a poet, and divinely inspired. We are quite sure of your wisdom and virtue, from the special commendation you have bestowed on those who have particularly distinguished themselves in active service. On this point we—Megillus here, Clinias of Cnossus and I—find ourselves, we think, emphatically in agreement with you; but we want to be quite clear that we are talking about the same people. Tell us: do you clearly distinguish, as we do, two sorts of war? Or what?’ I fancy [d] that in reply to this even a man far less gifted than Tyrtaeus would state the facts of the case and say ‘Two’. The first would be what we all call ‘civil’ war, and as we were saying just now, this is the most bitterly fought of all; and we shall all agree, I think, in making the other type of war the one we fight when we quarrel with our foreign enemies from outside the state, which is a much less vicious sort of war than the other.

C
LINIAS
: I agree.

A
THENIAN
: ‘Well now, Tyrtaeus, which category of soldiers did you shower with your praises and which did you censure? Which was the type of war they were fighting, that led you to speak so highly of them? The war fought against foreign enemies, it would seem—at any rate, you [e] have told us in your verses that you have no time for men who cannot “stand the sight of bloody butchery

and do not attack in close combat with the foe.”’

So here is the next thing we’d say: ‘It looks as if you reserve your special praise, Tyrtaeus, for those who fight with conspicuous gallantry in external war against a foreign enemy.’ I suppose he’d agree to this, and say ‘Yes’?

C
LINIAS
: Surely.

A
THENIAN
: However, while not denying the courage of those soldiers,
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we still maintain that those who display conspicuous gallantry in
total
war are very much more courageous. We have a poet to bear witness to this, Theognis,
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a citizen of Megara in Sicily, who says:

‘Cyrnus, find a man you can trust in deadly feuding: He is worth his weight in silver and gold.’

Such a man, in our view, who fights in a tougher war, is far superior to the other—to just about the same degree as the combination of justice, [b] self-control and good judgment, reinforced by courage, is superior to courage alone. In civil war a man will never prove sound and loyal unless he has every virtue; but in the war Tyrtaeus mentions there are hordes of mercenaries who are ready to dig their heels in and die fighting,
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most of whom, apart from a very small minority, are reckless and insolent rogues, and just about the most witless people you could find. Now, what conclusion does my argument lead to? What is the point I am trying to make clear in saying all this? Simply that in laying down his laws every legislator [c] who is any use at all—and especially your legislator here in Crete, duly instructed by Zeus—will never have anything in view except the highest virtue. This means, in Theognis’ terms, ‘loyalty in a crisis’; one might call it ‘complete justice’. The virtue that Tyrtaeus praised so highly is indeed a noble one, and has been appropriately celebrated by the poet, but strictly speaking, in order of merit it comes only fourth. [d]

C
LINIAS
: And that, sir, is to reduce our Cretan legislator to the status of a failure.

A
THENIAN
: No, my dear fellow, it is not. The failure was entirely on our part. We were quite wrong to imagine that when Lycurgus and Minos
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established the institutions of Sparta and this country the primary end they had in view was invariably warfare.

C
LINIAS
: But what ought we to have said?

A
THENIAN
: We had no particular axes to grind in our discussion, and I think we ought to have told the honest truth. We ought not to have said that the legislator laid down his rules with an eye on only a part of virtue, [e] and the most trivial part at that. We should have said that he aimed at virtue in its entirety, and that the various separate headings under which he tried to frame the laws of his time were quite different from those employed by modern legal draftsmen. Each of these invents any category he feels he wants, and adds it to his code. For instance, one will come up with a category on ‘Inheritances and Heiresses’, another with ‘Assault’, and others will suggest other categories
ad infinitum.
But we insist that the correct procedure for framing laws, which is followed by those who do
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the job properly, is precisely the one we have just embarked upon. I am delighted at the way you set about explaining your laws: you rightly started with
virtue,
and explained that this was the aim of the laws the legislator laid down. However, you did say that he legislated entirely by reference to only one part of virtue, and the most inconsiderable part at that. Now there I thought you were wrong: hence all these additional remarks. So what is this distinction I could have wished to hear you draw [b] in your argument? Shall I tell you?

C
LINIAS
: Certainly.

A
THENIAN
: ‘Now, Sir,’ you ought to have said, ‘it is no accident that the laws of the Cretans have such a high reputation in the entire Greek world. They are sound laws, and achieve the happiness of those who observe them, by producing for them a great number of benefits. These benefits fall into two classes, “human” and “divine.” The former depend on the [c] latter, and if a city receives the one sort, it wins the other too—the greater include the lesser; if not, it goes without both. Health heads the list of the lesser benefits, followed by beauty; third comes strength, for racing and other physical exercises. Wealth is fourth—not “blind” wealth,
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but the clear-sighted kind whose companion is good judgment—and good judgment itself is the leading “divine” benefit; second comes the habitual self-control of a soul that uses reason. If you combine these two with courage, [d] you get (thirdly) justice; courage itself lies in fourth place. All these take a natural precedence over the others, and the lawgiver must of course rank them in the same order. Then he must inform the citizens that the other instructions they receive have these benefits in view: the “human” benefits have the “divine” in view, and all these in turn look towards reason, which is supreme. The citizens join in marriage; then children, [e] male and female, are born and reared; they pass through childhood and later life, and finally reach old age. At every stage the lawgiver should supervise his people, and confer suitable marks of honor or disgrace. Whenever they associate with each other, he should observe their pains,
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pleasures and desires, and watch their passions in all their intensity; he must use the laws themselves as instruments for the proper distribution of praise and blame. Again, the citizens are angry or afraid; they suffer from emotional disturbances brought on by misfortune, and recover from them when life is going well; they have all the feelings that men usually experience in illness, war, poverty or their opposites. In all these instances [b] the lawgiver’s duty is to isolate and explain what is good and what is bad in the way each individual reacts. Next, the lawgiver must supervise the way the citizens acquire money and spend it; he must keep a sharp eye on the various methods they all employ to make and dissolve (voluntarily or under duress) their associations with one another, noting which methods are proper and which are not; honors should be conferred upon those who [c] comply with the laws, and specified penalties imposed on the disobedient. When the lawgiver comes to the final stages of organizing the entire life of the state, he must decide what honors should be accorded the dead and how the manner of burial should be varied. His survey completed, the author of the legal code will appoint guardians (some of whom will have rational grounds for their actions, while others rely on “true opinion”), so that all these regulations may be welded into a rational whole, demonstrably inspired by considerations of justice and self-restraint, not of wealth and ambition.’ That is the sort of explanation, gentlemen, that I should [d] have liked you to give, and still want now—an explanation of how all these conditions are met in the laws attributed to Zeus and the Pythian Apollo, which Minos and Lycurgus laid down. I wish you could have told me why the system on which they are arranged is obvious to someone with an expert technical—or even empirical—knowledge of law, while to laymen like ourselves it is entirely obscure.

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