Abomination: Devil Worship and Deception in the West Memphis Three Murders (21 page)

Bly: On the floor, right under where we hang the dog up.

Allen: Okay, you would hang the dog up above this?

Bly: We would hang the dog up above that, and then we would cut his throat the first thing, and we would catch the blood in a pail.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: And then we drink a cup full a piece of the blood and then we would cut his head off, then we would cut him open and cut his heart out.

Allen: What did you do then?

Bly: We would put the heart in the middle of this [pentagram] and pour alcohol on it and mixed with baby oil.

Allen: Excuse me someone came in, now you take alcohol you say?

Bly: Alcohol mixed with baby oil.

Allen: With baby oil?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: and they would...

Bly: would put his heart, take, we had a pie pan that we would set in the center of this, which is the same thing I'm talking you know we got the blood in and then we would put the baby oil on the heart and you know burn it, it wouldn't burn it up but it would burn it, and then we would praise to the dev... Devil and stuff.

Allen: Okay, was there any certain saying or anything that you can?

Bly: Yes sir, but I can't remember them.

Allen: You can't remember them?

Bly: No, sir.

Allen: Okay

Bly: We read it out of a book that we got from...., from the library here.

Allen: Okay, when you were involved in this cult what..., what time period are we talking about you were involved in it?

Bly: Oh, it's for at least a full year.

Allen: Full year.

Bly: Last year.

Allen: How early on in last year?

Bly: Well, really more that year, I was two years in it. Almost.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: Got out part of it last year.

Allen: How many people would you say would be involved in it?

Bly: 20

Allen: About 20 people

Bly: Yes sir, it was never less than eight.

Allen: Never less than eight.

Bly: Yes sir, it was from 8 to 20 there every time.

Allen: Was there any significance about how many people could be there as far as any religious thing that was?

Bly: No sir, from 1 to 50, it wouldn't make no difference just who ever came. We always had a certain time to meet out there during the week.

Allen: What time would you meet during the week?

Bly: Sunday.

Allen: I mean.

Bly: We always go on Sunday.

Allen: It would be on a Sunday.

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Is there any certain time on Sunday that you would meet?

Bly: Yes sir, 6 o'clock.

Allen: 6 o'clock.

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Did you ever know of any other days that um, thay had any kind little activities going on?

Bly: No, sir.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: If there was I was left out of it.

Allen: Okay, always on a Sunday?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: At 6 o'clock at night.

Bly: 6 o'clock in the evening.

Allen: Was there any significance about the 6 o'clock time period?

Bly: Yes sir, it was in the book. That's what time you’re suppose to start.

Allen: At 6 o'clock.

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Do you know, do you recall what this book look like or what the name of this book was?

Bly: Uh, it was the Devil something (inaudible) it was like five letter name on it. It would be easy to find in the library.

Allen: Do you know what color the book was?

Bly: Black, shiny black.

Allen: Was it shiny black?

Bly: Yes sir,

Allen: Did it have any type.

Bly: About a 100 page book.

Allen: Have any drawings or anything on the front cover of it?

Bly: Yes sir, it's got like a dragon, like a dragon with like a goats body.

Allen: Like a dragon with like a goats body?

Bly: Yes sir. It was St. Lucifer second son

Allen: It was what?

Bly: It was it was Satan on the front of it, that's who it was.

Allen: Now you were telling me earlier about...we were talking said something about, you ask me whether or not something about the boys that were killed.

Bly: If they was beat to death? Cause I know that's how he.

Allen: I can't answer that question

Bly: Well, I understand that, but that's the how we do the dogs, we beat them to death first.

Allen: What would you beat them to death with?

Bly: With sticks.

Allen: With sticks?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Were the dogs alive when they were brought out there?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: And then they....

Bly: And they were alive when they we hung them up we would beat them to death over the top of the pentagram

Allen: Okay, with sticks.

Bly: Everybody would have to do it, everybody would eat them.

Allen: Okay, how was the dogs tied, you said you tied them up?

Bly: Tied them up by the hind legs.

Allen: Tied them up by the hind legs?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Okay, you said earlier that as far as you were asking whether or not the boys were beating, were beaten? How would you think that..., that they would have if some one say was in a cult of..., of this nature how would, how would you think they would have killed those boys?

Bly: They would beat them to death.

Allen: What else, anything else they would have done?

Bly: They would have raped them. Usually like I say I don't know why they didn't cut their heads off cause you suppose to, if you've done that your supposed to cut their heads off. We cut all the dogs heads off.

Allen: Cut the dogs heads off?

Bly: Yes sir, we would hang the head up and do away throw the body down in that big ditch down there by Stonehenge.

Allen: Okay, now the, any other body parts that they might cut off?

Bly: Their penis.

Allen: How would...

Bly: Bite it off...

Allen: They would bite the penis off?

Bly: Yes sir, that's what it reads in the book to do.

Allen: Now...

Bly: Devil circumcision.

Allen: It's called the Devil circumcision?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: What did they, did they do this to dogs?

Bly: No, sir.

Allen: Uh?

Bly: Wasn't nobody, wasn't nobody get enough courage to do it to the dogs. We would cut, we would cut their penis off. But they wouldn’t bit off like you were supposed to.

Allen: Any..., any particular kind of knife that they would use in any kind of cult activity?

Bly: Well Misskelley always had the knife he carried on his side all the time, it's a hunters knife.

Dectective Allen and Clem Bly discuss the shape and style of the knife, then returned to the activities of the cult:

Bly: All the down, it's called a bleeder what it is, gut knife.

Allen: And Misskelley carried that knife?

Bly: Yes sir, he had it all the time on him.

Allen: These other 2 guys that you hinted were in this cult, Jason Baldwin um, did he have any part in this ceremony?

Bly: Oh yes sir, in all of them, all of us did.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: Everybody had to hit the dogs, everybody.

Allen: Everybody had to hit the dogs?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Was that just something that?

Bly: That's just part of the ritual.

Allen: Okay, this

Bly: If you didn't hit him you had to leave.

Allen: This guy here um, I'm looking at this the Commercial Appeal newspaper, Memphis Tennessee, Saturday morning June the 5th 1993, now you a minute ago pointed this person out as being the, the guy you know as Damien?

Bly: Damien, that's right I was saying Davien.

Allen: Damien, Damien, Damien.

Bly: Damien.

Allen: What part would he have in this part in this kind of ceremony?

Bly: Well we took turns, sometimes he would cut the heart out, sometimes I would, or Misskelley, or any of the other people, we all, we spread it out different during times ever who didn't do it the last time, would have to do it that time.

Allen: Okay, anybody you lived at 1900 E. Barton after you moved from Lakeshore is that correct?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Is there anybody over there in your, in the neighborhood that you moved into that was involved in any of this cult activities?

Bly: Yes sir, there's guy on south 14th.

Allen: Down on south 14th?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: This white guy or black guy?

Bly: White guy.

Allen: That lives on south 14th?

Bly: Well it's on the south of Barton you know.

Allen: Okay, do you know what his name might have been?

Bly: Uh, it would take me a while to remember it I was married to my wife for months before I could remember her name.

Allen: Can you point out, say if we were just to drive by, could you point out where he lived?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: The person your talking about?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: How old the guy, the guy on south 14th?

Bly: he's about 30.

Allen: about 30 years old?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Anyone else over in that area that you can also think of?

Bly: No sir, no sir, a lot, a lot of these people.

Allen: any younger kids?

Bly: No sir, not right off hand.

Allen: Okay, now you said that um, when I talked to you earlier that something about, um, that you, the 3 boys that were killed that..., that you lived not too far from them

Bly: I lived on the same block, which I call the same block, I live at 1900 and the other boys live right there on the corner, that little old blond headed boy did.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: Cause like I say, me and my kids were riding bike with them every evening, just about.

Allen: Okay, now your were, you were in jail during the time of these murders is that correct?

Bly: Oh, Yes sir.

Allen: Okay

Bly: Boy, I'm glad too.

Allen: Was there..., was there ever any talk about um, at any of these meetings, or...

Bly: Yes.

Allen: Activities was there any talk about any sacrificing kids or anything?

Bly: Yes sir, there was, yes sir.

Allen: What kind of talk?

Bly: They were trying to pick out, you know wanting to know who we could pick out to do it to, like I say which I was already leaving the cult anyway because they raped that girl.

This is about a month before the boys got killed.

Allen: Okay, this is when you left the cult?

Bly: Yes sir, it was about a month later and that's when they killed them boys.

Allen: Who do, do you recall, can you recall who, how many people were at a meeting that where anything was discussed about human sacrifices?

Bly: There was about 10 of us out there.

Allen: Can you recall any of the people that were at this particular meeting? Where was this meeting at?

Bly: Stonehenge.

Allen: Okay, who, what kind of a...

Bly: But that hate where they planned do it at, they were planning on sacrificing them up there on 50 at that house and leave them there.

Allen: Out there on 50?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Is that?

Bly: That's were they were going to do it if they....

Allen: Is 50 the highway that cuts off the interstate there and goes throughout Crawfordsville?

Bly: Yes sir.

Allen: How far up that road is that house your talking about?

Bly: A mile.

Allen: About a mile?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Is it on the right hand side of 50 or the left side?

Bly: The right side, on the right.

Allen: And it's a big white house.

Bly: A big white house, at least about a 8 to 10 room house, it's a huge house.

Allen: Does anybody keep it up or anything?

Bly: No sir, they just keep it locked up, we..., we had a window fixed so we could go through the window and then open the doors.

Allen: Okay, at this meeting at Stonehenge you recall who was there?

Bly: No right off hand, I know all those boys were there, Christy she was there, Christy McNichols.

Allen: Christy McNichols?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: She lives out at Lakeshore?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: She was there and, uh the Baldwin boy.

Allen: Can you shut that door over there.

Bly: It's just real hard for me to remember names at all.

Allen: Your son was he at a lot of these meetings?

Bly: He was at one meeting?

Allen: He was at one meeting.

Bly: Yes sir, just one meeting.

Allen: How long ago has that been?

Bly: He couldn't he wouldn't drink the blood.

Allen: Okay.

Bly: So we..., we were scared of him.

Allen: Okay, now getting back to you said Christy McNichols was there at this last meeting where they talk about sacrificing?

Bly: Yes sir, the Powers boy.

Allen: Powers.

Bly: Jamie..., Jamie Powers

Allen: How old is this Jamie Powers?

Bly: About 18.

Allen: Do you know where he may live?

Bly: He lives at Lakeshore. On the last row. The guy that, he lives next door to the guy that messes with all the Volkswagens.

Allen: out at Lakeshore.

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: Okay, uh, anyone else you can think of?

Bly: Not right off hand.

Allen: And you said the three boys, now you were referring to these?

Bly: They were always there.

Allen: These?

Bly: Misskelley, Baldwin, Damien---they was always there.

Allen: Okay, and this was always on a Sunday night?

Bly: Yes, sir.

Allen: What did you say about the significance, the significance of the 6 O'clock?

Bly: It just was in the book so we went by the book.

Allen: What did you call the book?

Allen: Any particular name?

Bly: Just the Devil book. It told you how to sacrifice, it tell you when the best time of the month. We didn't do it your suppose to have a sacrifice every full moon.