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Authors: Ann Coulter
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A:
In the Oval Office?
In the Oval Office?
Q:
At any time in your meeting with him that day. In any meeting that day.
At any time in your meeting with him that day. In any meeting that day.
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Please explain that situation.
Please explain that situation.
A:
Do you want to know—
what do you want to know?
Do you want to know—
what do you want to know?
Even when Campbell had finally maneuvered Willey to the precise location of the presidential grope—“at the door in the private hallway leading back into the Oval Office”—Willey was not exactly forthcoming:
Q:
And then what happened?
And then what happened?
A:
Then he hugged me again and said that they would try to help me.
Then he hugged me again and said that they would try to help me.
Q:
And was that at the door in the private hallway leading back into the Oval Office?
And was that at the door in the private hallway leading back into the Oval Office?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
And please describe the exact physical nature of the hug.
And please describe the exact physical nature of the hug.
A:
It was a hug.
It was a hug.
Q:
Is that all? Just an embrace?
Is that all? Just an embrace?
A:
It was a hug.
It was a hug.
Q:
Can you describe it any more fully than that?
Can you describe it any more fully than that?
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Just a big hug.
Just a big hug.
Q:
Did you hug him back?
Did you hug him back?
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I think so. I mean, I think so. I mean, I don’t really recall if I did or not.
I think so. I mean, I think so. I mean, I don’t really recall if I did or not.
Q:
After that hug, what happened after that?
After that hug, what happened after that?
A:
Well, it continued.
Well, it continued.
Q:
Okay, please describe exactly how it continued.
Okay, please describe exactly how it continued.
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The hug just continued longer than I expected.
The hug just continued longer than I expected.
Q:
Can you give us an estimation as to how long the hug continued?
Can you give us an estimation as to how long the hug continued?
A:
No.
No.
When Campbell asked point-blank about any kissing, Willey at first admitted only to “an attempt”:
Q:
Please describe that as fully as you can.
Please describe that as fully as you can.
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He attempted to kiss me.
He attempted to kiss me.
Q:
Mr. Clinton did?
Mr. Clinton did?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
On the lips?
On the lips?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Anyplace else? On the neck?
Anyplace else? On the neck?
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No.
No.
Q:
And what was your response to that attempt?
And what was your response to that attempt?
A:
Surprise.
Surprise.
Q:
Did you allow him to kiss you?
Did you allow him to kiss you?
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I don’t think so.
I don’t think so.
Q:
Was he successful in kissing you?
Was he successful in kissing you?
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I can’t remember.
I can’t remember.
Willey’s obstinacy finally drew a rebuke from the court. When Willey claimed not to “recall” whether Clinton had touched any part of her body apart from the hug, the judge interjected:
I think what Mr. Campbell wants to know is if there was any physical contact between you and the president which had a sexual connotation, and I think you can answer that.
Still Willey obfuscated. Later the court again instructed Willey to answer the questions, saying, “We’ve got to move along.”
Finally the “Simon Says” game paid off:
Q:
Did Mr. Clinton ever place his hands on any part of your buttocks?
Did Mr. Clinton ever place his hands on any part of your buttocks?
A:
I don’t remember….
I don’t remember….
Q:
You can’t categorically say he did not; is that correct?
You can’t categorically say he did not; is that correct?
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Correct.
Correct.
Q:
Did Mr. Clinton ever seek to take either of your hands and place it on his body anyplace?
Did Mr. Clinton ever seek to take either of your hands and place it on his body anyplace?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Please describe that….
Please describe that….
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He put his hands—he put my hands on his genitals.
He put his hands—he put my hands on his genitals.
Q:
Which hand?
Which hand?
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I don’t recall.
I don’t recall.
Q:
And approximately how long did that last?
And approximately how long did that last?
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I don’t recall.
I don’t recall.
Q:
What was your reaction?
What was your reaction?
A:
It was very unexpected.
It was very unexpected.
Q:
Were you surprised?
Were you surprised?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Did you resist?
Did you resist?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
How?
How?
A:
I just resisted.
I just resisted.
Q:
Did you try to push him away?
Did you try to push him away?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Were you successful?
Were you successful?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Immediately successful?
Immediately successful?
A:
I don’t recall the time frame.
I don’t recall the time frame.
Q:
Did you attempt to withdraw your hand from his genital area?
Did you attempt to withdraw your hand from his genital area?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Promptly?
Promptly?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Were you successful?
Were you successful?
A:
As best I recall.
As best I recall.
Q:
Could you tell whether he was aroused?
Could you tell whether he was aroused?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
And was he?
And was he?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
After you withdrew your hand from his genital area, what’s the next physical thing that happened during that encounter?
After you withdrew your hand from his genital area, what’s the next physical thing that happened during that encounter?
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I left.
I left.
Q:
Did you have to gain release from his embrace in order to leave the room?
Did you have to gain release from his embrace in order to leave the room?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Did Mr. Clinton attempt to touch your breasts?
Did Mr. Clinton attempt to touch your breasts?
A:
I think so.
I think so.
Q:
And what’s the basis for your thinking so?
And what’s the basis for your thinking so?
A:
I have a recollection of that.
I have a recollection of that.
Q:
Was he successful?
Was he successful?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Can you tell us whether the touching of your breasts occurred before or after Mr. Clinton took your hand and put it on his genitals?
Can you tell us whether the touching of your breasts occurred before or after Mr. Clinton took your hand and put it on his genitals?
A:
I don’t recall.
I don’t recall.
Q:
Did you ask him to stop?
Did you ask him to stop?
A:
I don’t think I verbally did.
I don’t think I verbally did.
Q:
Do you think you did nonverbally?
Do you think you did nonverbally?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
By what?
By what?
A:
By resisting.
By resisting.
Q:
At any time during—from the beginning of this hugging incident that you’re just now describing up through to the point in time that you broke away and left the room, did he say anything to you?
At any time during—from the beginning of this hugging incident that you’re just now describing up through to the point in time that you broke away and left the room, did he say anything to you?
A:
Yes.
Yes.
Q:
Please tell us what he said.
Please tell us what he said.
A:
I recall him saying that he had wanted to do that for a long time.
I recall him saying that he had wanted to do that for a long time.
Q:
Was he referring to the physical contact?
Was he referring to the physical contact?
A:
I don’t know.
I don’t know.
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